Martin Luther King Jr.'s 1957 Interview on “The Open Mind” Was 'Up There with the Gettysburg Address,' Says Host (Exclusive)

In celebration of the 70th anniversary of The Open Mind in May, Alexander Heffner is looking back on the legacy begun by his grandfather Richard D. Heffner

People Martin Luther King Jr. on 'The Open Mind' in 1957.Credit: PBS

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  • Alexander tells PEOPLE that his grandfather's 1957 interview with Martin Luther King Jr. "is up there with the Gettysburg Address"

  • In May, Alexander will launch the special "Mayors of the World" series in honor of the milestone anniversary

Years before the world would hear Martin Luther King Jr.’s “I Have a Dream” speech from the steps of the Lincoln Memorial in 1963,Richard D. Heffnersat down with the reverend in an episode of his then-newly establishedThe Open Mindtelevision program.

The February 1957 sit-down was many viewers’ “first encounter with Dr. King,” Heffner, a New York City native who also taught at Rutgers University, says in aretrospective introductionto the video shot decades later.

“I felt constrained to brief [viewers] on who he was; on what, indeed, his growing involvement was in what remains today perhaps our most confounding national issue: race relations in America,” he adds.

And now, in celebration of the program’s 70th anniversary in May, Heffner’s grandson Alexander — who took over as host in 2014 following his grandfather’s death in 2013 at age 88, is reflecting on the interview’s impact and how he’s continuing the show’s legacy all these years later.

Alexander Heffner with his grandparents Elaine Heffner and Richard D. Heffner.Credit: The Open Mind

“He wanted to give a platform to King in civil rights when that was not just out of the mainstream, it was completely devoid in the dialogue on TV in 1957,” Alexander, 36, tells PEOPLE, adding, “To my knowledge, it is the first broadcast appearance that King made on national television.”

In the episode, titled “The New Negro,” Richard sat down with King and a White South Carolina judge named Julius Waties Waring, “who was there kind of in a protector capacity,” Alexander says. (Waring's dissent in 1952's Briggs v. Elliott, in which he opined that "segregation is per se inequality," laid some groundwork for the Supreme Court's ruling in 1954's Brown v. Board of Education that led to the desegregation of public schools in the U.S.)

“He was the ambassador to King because not only was it completely irreverent and unconventional to have a discussion about civil rights,” he says. “The presence of this judge was making it arguably credible to the audience who was vouching for King.”

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Young Alexander Heffner with his grandparents.Credit: The Open Mind

The conversation, Alexander notes, speaks to the crux of what the show has tried to do over its seven decades on air.

“To this day, to me, that interview is up there with the Gettysburg Address, and just King himself and what was illuminated through the conversation, to me, that's the America that we aspire to, the dream that became more publicized as King grew in recognition. But he really, in so many ways, gave birth to it onThe Open Mind,” Alexander says.

He adds, “And then over the years, I think that's the philosophy that he brought to the series and that I've attempted to carry forward, which is there's no topic that is too controversial if it's approached in a fair-minded way.”

Following two seasons of his seriesBreaking Bread with Alexander —where he spoke to and shared a meal with — various politicians on both sides of the aisle, Alexander is launching a new special called “Mayors of the World” in celebration ofThe Open Mind’s 70th anniversary.

Alexander Heffner with the mayor of Lisbon, Carlos Moedas, while filming

“I'm just super psyched that I can introduce our viewers on PBS to, like King back in '57, some of these unknown leaders who are making a difference every day,” he says of the upcoming program, which premieres in May. “And whether Olivia Chow in Toronto becomes a Prime Minister of Canada or Mayor Dickens in Atlanta becomes President of the United States I can't say, but I can say that these are people committed to the public good.”

In addition to Dickens and Chow, “Mayors of the World” will feature Haris Doukas, the mayor of Athens; Carlos Moedas, the mayor of Lisbon; Stephan Keller, the mayor of Düsseldorf; Henriette Reker, the mayor of Cologne; Francis Suarez, the mayor of Miami; Mike Duggan, the mayor of Detroit; Mario Desbordes, the mayor of Santiago; and Michelle Bachelet, ex-president of Chile.

The Open Mindairs weekly on PBS.

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Martin Luther King Jr.'s 1957 Interview on “The Open Mind” Was 'Up There with the Gettysburg Address,' Says Host (Exclusive)

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  • A$AP Rocky attended Chanel’s cruise 2026/2027 show in Biarritz.

  • His look included a pink bag adorned with miniature Mary Jane shoes.

  • The detail served as a subtle tribute to his 7-month-old daughter, Rocki.

A$AP Rockyhas long treated fashion as a form of storytelling, and at Chanel’s cruise 2026/2027 show in Biarritz, France, he took that a step further by incorporating his 7-month-old daughter, Rocki, into the narrative.

Rocky arrived carrying a soft pink Chanel flap bag finished with the house’s signature chain strap and tweed trim. But the standout detail wasn’t the bag itself. Attached to the handle was a pair of miniature pink Chanel Mary Janes, transforming the accessory into a subtle homage to babyRocki—and ultimately, a gift for her.

RockytoldWomen’s Wear Dailythat the bag was a present from Chanel’s artistic director, Matthieu Blazy. “He’s so thoughtful, and he actually had a pregnant woman on the runway, and I’ve seen other models walking around with bags, and they had different color ballerina shoes on it,” he said. “So, I’m going to give these to my daughter.”

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While Rocky’s bag was his Chanel look’s statement piece, the rest of his outfit—particularly his bright red shirt—complemented it.

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He paired the top and bag with a camel-toned jacket that had ornate trim. The rapper accessorized with gold jewelry and a brooch, mixing classic house elements and his more experimental styling.

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Rocky’s relationship with Chanel has deepened in recent years. The rapper was named a brandambassadorin 2025 and regularly attends its shows.

His appearance in Biarritz comes shortly after his partner, Rihanna, and Rocki appearedon the cover ofWmagazinelast week, marking Rocki’s first editorial.

Rocky spoke to the outlet about the impact their three children, RZA, Riot, and Rocki, have had on Rihanna, saying, “She has changed a lot because she became a mother in that time span [of me knowing her], and that certainly changes you. But this woman has always been magic. Philosophically, the way she operates is on another level. She is the most charming and genuine person on Earth. Her energy is unmatched—one of a kind. I just adore her."

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LONDON−King Charles IIIisn't an elected politician. But his trip to the United States has political implications.

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But the monarch's state visit to the U.S. to mark thenation's 250th birthdaycomes as extreme political movements are on the rise back home, echoing political divisions facing Americans and placing a spotlight on the U.K.'s relationship withPresident Donald Trump.

Reform UK, a far-right political party, and the Green Party, a far-left liberal party, lead ahead of May 7 elections across the United Kingdom, according torecent Ipsos UK polling asking who citizens expect to win. Meanwhile, voters expect the mainstream Labour and Conservative parties to see losses, the polling suggests. And April 2026 opinion polling by Ipsos in the U.K. shows Reform UK in the lead, with25% of voterssaying they intend to vote for the far-right party and 17% saying they will vote Green.

These fresher, more extreme parties aren't officially linked to any U.S. political movements, but there are parallels in their origin stories.

"They have similar domestic causes," Tony Travers, associate dean of the School of Public Policy at the London School of Economics and Political Science, told USA TODAY, naming high living costs and concerns about immigration as key factors. "It's a turbulent time for U.K. government."

Here's the state of play in U.K. politics ahead of the king's visit and why it matters for Americans.

The state of play in UK politics

Increasingly sharp political divides backdrop the king's visit to the U.S. The liberal Labour Party currently holds power in Parliament, but is increasingly unpopular, according to David Dunn, professor of International Politics at the University of Birmingham.

Living costs havecontinued to rise, while U.K. Prime MinisterKeir Starmeris in afragileposition as he's criticized for broken campaign promises, such as reversing a pledge toabolish tuition feesfor students, Dunn explains. He's also come under fire for his pick of U.S. ambassador, who wasremoved from office and arresteddue to ties to disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein.

"The anti-incumbency trend means a willingness to deviate away from the two main parties," Dunn says. "There's a fracturing in British politics."

Demonstrators carry cutouts depicting U.S. President Donald Trump and Britain's Reform UK leader Nigel Farage as they gather prior to a march against far-right extremism from Park Lane to Trafalgar Square, organised by the Together Alliance, a coalition of unions and civil society groups, in London, Britain, March 28, 2026.

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From frustration with the major parties in the U.K. has risen more hard-liner coalitions pitching themselves as change-makers.

In the same wayMake American Great Againwas born from the Republican party, Reform UK broke away from the traditional Conservative Party, Dunn says. Reform UK echoes the driving forces behind the MAGA in that it promotes an immigration crackdown and blasts the incumbent government for failing on affordability.

Reform UK, like MAGA, also has a highly charismatic leader in Nigel Farage, who, like Trump, touts a radical shift from status quo and identifies as a leader who comes from outside the political establishment, Dunn explains.

Reform UK Leader Nigel Farage speaks during a press conference on migration policy on April 20, 2026 in the Westminster area of London, England.

"The same way you understand where MAGA came from, you can understand where Reform came from," he says. "By promising everything opposite all at once, (Farage) can build a coalition that gets support."

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Reform UK is "similar but different," to MAGA, Travers says. Reform UK is distinctly secular whileChristian nationalist valuesunderpin MAGA, Travers says. And its causes are centered around definitively U.K. concerns, specifically the economic aftermath of the U.K.'s referendum to leave the European Union in 2016.

And Reform UK has also worked to carve its own image separate from Trump, Travers says.

"Farage has sought distance from Trump ... Trump doesn't play well in British politics," Travers says. "Even though Reform has similar concerns to those who vote MAGA."

Far-left chases Mamdani's success

While Reform and MAGA aren't exact counterparts, the Green Party, a far-left party also emerging in the U.K., is set on mimicking the successful progressive campaign of newly-inaugurated New York City Mayor Zohran Mamdani, Travers says. He says the Greens, led by London Assembly member Zack Polanski, sees Mamdani as a "hero."

Zack Polanski, Leader of the Green Party, visits Levenshulme High Street for a local election campaign event on April 23, 2026 in Manchester, England.

"Polanski wants to follow the Mamdani path to garner votes," Travers says. For liberals who see Labour as too soft on progressive causes, the Green Party is a popular new route thataims to deliveron unemployment for young people and increase public funding for health care.

"Polanski wants to follow the Mamdani path," Travers says.

Leader of the Green Party of England and Wales Zack Polanski speaks during an election press conference with the co-leaders of the Scottish Green Party at Novotel on April 24, 2026 in Glasgow, Scotland.

The king is 'lower case political'

Charles' visit also comes amid declining popularity of Trump among British people, Dunn says. The president's forging of war in Iran has driven up global oil prices, while his tariff policies continue to increase costs for British people. And tensions worsen over U.S. use of British air bases for the war in the Middle East, he says.

"He's something that does not fit well with the British people," Dunn says. Some may want the king to avoid the president. Others may see the king's role as something beyond current political rife, he says.

"If they see Charles meeting with Trump, or the Chinese president, people in the U.K. know this is part of a diplomatic magic ... to smooth over diplomatic cracks," Travers says.

The king is not an elected official and does not have political power. Meeting with Trump doesn't indicate any political attitude from the king either way, Dunn says. It's part of Charles' job description as a ceremonial figure to represent his country and keep political beliefs inside −something his mother modeled with presidents across the political spectrum, Travers says.

"What's being celebrated here is the wider relationship and the bigger picture rather than the individual people," Dunn says.

But he is head of state of Canada, Australia and the U.K., which are key members of international alliances with the U.S. His mission will be to remind Trump of the symbolic value of these relationships at a time when global security hangs in the balance, according to experts.

"The stakes are so high," Travers says. "The future of NATO, peace in Europe, peace in the Middle East are all in some extent in King Charles' hands ... reinforced by the fact the U.K. government is in such a weak domestic position at the moment ... He's 'lower-case p' political."

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King Charles III visit live updates: Charles, Camilla welcomed at White House

KingCharles IIIandQueen Camillaare making their first-everstate visitto the U.S., visiting Washington, D.C., New York City and Virginia.The royals’ visit comes at a heightened time, following ashooting incidentoutside the White House Correspondents' Association Dinner and amid newstrainsbetween the U.K. and the U.S. over the war in Iran. It’s also happening under the shadow of Charles' brotherAndrew Mountbatten-Windsor'sconnection to the ongoingEpstein scandal.

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During the visit, Charles will deliver a rare joint address to Congress and there will be a state dinner at the White House.

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King Charles and Queen Camilla have arrived at the South Portico of the White House for a formal state arrival ceremony. They are being greeted by President Donald Trump and first lady Melania Trump.Notable officials are gathered on the White House South Lawn in rainy weather for the ceremony that will include a review of the troops, remarks by Trump and more.

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Matt Mcclain/Reuters - PHOTO: U.S. and British flags, and pins are prepared on a chair ahead of the arrival ceremony at the White House for Britain's King Charles and Queen Camilla amid their state visit to the U.S., in Washington, April 28, 2026.

President Trump is hosting King Charles III and Queen Camilla at the White House as the "special relationship" between the United States and the United Kingdom is under a microscope amid the war with Iran.While Trump has repeatedly praised King Charles as a "friend" whom he's known for years, his relationship with U.K. Prime Minister Keir Starmer has been another story. The president has repeatedly assailed the U.K. and other NATO allies over the U.S. and Israeli war with Iran.Trump said the visit from the king -- the U.K.'s constitutional and ceremonial head of state -- may help restore any damaged ties between the two allies."Absolutely. He's fantastic. He's a fantastic man. Absolutely the answer is yes," Trump told the BBC in a phone interview when asked if the visit could help repair the relationship.Read morehere.-ABC News' Nicholas Kerr

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Suzanne Plunkett/Reuters - PHOTO: President Donald Trump, first lady Melania Trump, Britain's King Charles and Queen Camilla walk on the South Lawn of the White House in Washington, April 27, 2026.

President Donald Trump and first lady Melania Trump will welcome Great Britain’s King Charles III and Queen Camilla to the White House South Lawn later this morning.Thousands of guests are anticipated to be in attendance, including Cabinet officials, U.S. and U.K. delegations, members of Congress, students from the British International School of Washington and more.The official arrival of the king and queen will begin with a traditional military arrival ceremony by the U.S. Army Herald Trumpets, a "tradition that dates back to the 18th century," the first lady’s office said. The national anthems of both countries will then be played by the U.S. Marine Band, followed by the Presidential Salute Battery rendering a 21-gun cannon salute."Following an Inspection of the Troops and a Troop in Review, facilitated by the U.S. Army Fife and Drum Corps, the President will deliver remarks from the South Lawn," the first lady's office said in a press release.-ABC News' Emily Chang

Apr 27, 6:41 PMCharles, Camilla view White House beehive

Alex Brandon/AP - PHOTO: President Donald Trump and Britain's King Charles III look at the White House garden and bee hive on the South Lawn of the White House, April 27, 2026, in Washington.

Charles and Camilla were shown the White House beehive by President Donald Trump and first lady Melania Trump during their visit Monday.Videos sharedon social mediaby a top White House aide show the president and first lady and the king and queen inspecting a new White House-shaped beehive that is part of an expansion announced by the first lady last week.Two other beehives have been on the south grounds of the White House since 2009,according toThe Associated Press.

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Saul Loeb/AFP via Getty Images - PHOTO: President Donald Trump and First Lady Melania Trump greet Britain's King Charles III and Britain's Queen Camilla upon arrival at the South Portico of the White House in Washington, April 27, 2026. Suzanne Plunkett/Reuters - PHOTO: President Donald Trump and first lady Melania Trump host Britain's King Charles and Queen Camilla for afternoon tea on the South Lawn of the White House in Washington, April 27, 2026.

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Charles and Camilla were greeted by the U.K. ambassador and two children with posies as they deplaned on the tarmac at Joint Base Andrews.

Win McNamee/Getty Images - PHOTO: Britain's King Charles and Queen Camilla disembark the plane on arrival for a state visit to the United States at Joint Base Andrews, Maryland, April 27, 2026.

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Their plane landed at Joint Base Andrews moments ago.

Win McNamee/Getty Images - PHOTO: A plane carrying King Charles III and Queen Camila taxis on day one of their State Visit to the United States, April 27, 2026 at Joint Base Andrews, Maryland.

Apr 27, 1:34 PMA look back at King Charles' trips to America

King Charles has visited the United States 19 times before but today will mark his first state visit as a monarch.Charles’ first trip to the U.S. was in 1970 when the 21-year-old Prince of Wales traveled with his sister Princess Anne and were guests of the Nixons.

Gamma-Keystone via Getty Images - PHOTO: President Richard Nixon greets Prince Charles at the White House, July 18, 1970 in Washington.

Charles also traveled to Los Angeles in 1974 where he met and struck up a friendship with Barbra Streisand.

Mark Sennet/Getty Images - PHOTO: Prince Charles meets with singer Barbra Streisand at the Warner Bros. studio, March 19, 1974 in Los Angeles.

In 1985 Charles, accompanied by Princess Diana, met the Reagans at the White House. It was on this trip that Diana famously danced with John Travolta.In 2005 Charles took Camilla to see the Bushes on their first official overseas trip since their marriage, and in 2015 the couple returned to the White House as guests of the Obamas.This trip will have echoes of previous royal visits when Charles' mother, Queen Elizabeth II, visited the United States in July 1976 for the 200th anniversary of American independence. More recently, in 1991 Elizabeth became the first British monarch to address Congress.

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